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What's the reason for this demand?

well, i guess it's about recording in 96kHz when using the Virus as audio interface...
however, this reminds me of something i've been wondering about:
what is the internal sample rate the Ti is processing at and streaming via USB, same like it's ADCs?

best regards, gravity

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As to why, 96khz sounds better to me than 44.1

why 44.1khz, i'd bet the Virus is processing at least at it's maximum interface sample-rate, which is 48...
however, i work on 96k too, and the internal rate was exactly my point,
so marc or whoever knows for sure, please enlighten us!

best regards, gravity

I think Access will never tell us the full truth here so we can only speculate.

I don't think the TI's basic processing path works internally with more than 4x.xx kHz. Still there can be some stages oversampled and then things get difficult.

Remember how old the basic TI HW design is. TI2 isn't much more than the same thing with a new DSP claiming 25% more calculation power - which isn't a really huge change and nothing to trade in a TI for a TI2...

But assume you could switch to 96 kHz, what do you expect? There is just one thing for sure - half polyphony. Let's add all the new OS features I am curious when the TI has problems producing even one note... On the other side I hardly believe you will hear twice the sound quality.

To be honest, the 96 kHz is just a number. For live uses on stage this is totally useless as all locations have by far stronger and other issues than the perfect hi end spectrum. I don't say it's totally useless but to benefit from that you need to be picky almost everywhere. One of the points is the converters clock precision. If the jitter is to strong here dialing up the sampling rate simply gets you nothing more than higher calculation demands... My personal opinion here is go for 24bit instead of 96 kHz.

Coming to "production", do you really think the majority of music consumers do have high end audio equipment at home? I guess no, they have mp3 players and cheapoo earplugs... do you really think 96 kHz sampling rate make the cake here.... maybe better invest some bucks in cheap earplugs to get an impression on how your music might be really perceived by the masses... if you really have such an audience, do you?...

To finish with, the TI's DA converters are quality converters that sound really good. If you find this outdated you have to dump the TI as it is outdated too - HW wise. I personally wouldn't spend time to think about 96 kHz sampling rate until the tradeoff in polyphony would be much less important than it is today. But even if, I don't think anyone really basically needs 96 kHz - unless you do a lot of pitch shifting or similar extreme things with the output signal of your virus...

Finally - better spend your time making music than believing you can't go on without a very high sampling rate... and when you're a bit older your ears won't notice the difference anyway, even it was ever there...

there are algorithms which indeed create artifacts, for instance the sine wave oscillator. we didn't change that intentionally (so it keeps it's original sound back from 14 years ago). instead we've tried to offer an alternative, the sine wave of the wavetable oscillator does not feature those artifacts.
the virus uses internal oversampling where necessary.
best, marc

Thanks Mark.

In a way I can not understand people... who are never satisfied with what they have. Maybe it helps to re-lable the Virus as a "vintage VA synth" so people can change their mind without loosing their faces not using the latest hype... LOL

Even more strange I see those people who can't go without bit and sample frequency reducers - but of course best have a basic signal path of 192 kHz... But anyway, high end noise can't be discussed as taste can't be discussed...

Eh, what about a Virus in a golden housing? ...for a warmer sound...

Hah... 96kHz.... I direct you to the Shanon sampling theorem.

The only benefit of higher sample rates lies in noise handling and since it's a digital synthesizer that is not an issue. But I suppose hard drives are pretty big these days, so if you want to enjoy the placebo I won't stop you...

the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is very annoying, but still true, deal with it.