Access Music User Forum

Quoted from "mintarinan"

However, I think I would trade every new feature since the original OS for a reliable, solid sync between my Virus TI, using the 32 Bit VST2 Virus Control w/ Ableton Live 8

mike, is this with live mode enabled or not?

best, marc

same here marc. live mode enabled or not - the sync is still unpredictable. this seems to be a problem for a looooong time now. i had a polar ti before but let it go b/c pf this issue. now i buy a snow and still the problems are effectively the same.

Have u checked on wich party in the process is the synchhost? is that your daw, your soundcard or the Virus?
In most cases this has to be the daw for hosting synch. Have u updated all your system OS and drivers, same for your soundcard?

If the synch problem after these steps still persist then you might want to check out on Abelton for any updates that could work, eventualy contacting their support about Abelton not being able to synch with a hardware synth through usb.



If these steps are nothing new to u, sorry but hope it helps you in the direction otherwise. succes

Hi,

This problem does appear to be cross platform. My original understanding was that Logic was the main culprit. Obviously not the case and there seems to be an unwillingness to address the issue. I quite agree that getting the fundamentals of the operating system right would be far more beneficial than new features!!! How many types of distortion does one need anyway!

Quoted from "TheTimster"

This problem does appear to be cross platform. My original understanding was that Logic was the main culprit. Obviously not the case and there seems to be an unwillingness to address the issue. I quite agree that getting the fundamentals of the operating system right would be far more beneficial than new features!!! How many types of distortion does one need anyway!

certainly not an unwillingness but a lack of information keeps us from addressing the various problems discussed in parallel. i cannot help you guys out when e.g. the original poster is not answering my questions but other jump in and do it for him. i doubt that you all talk about the same issues, so if you want help, please specify exactly what's going wrong and amend your mails with details on the equipment used.

best, marc

Marc and company,

Macbook Pro
RME fireface 800 soundcard
Live 8
TI

I'm with you Marc. Why post a question if you aren't going to follow up. My experience with Access for the last 9 years is that the staff is all about making working out issues. Thanks by the way.

The timing issues between the TI and Live are well known. Playback sync wanders and recorded midi notes never land in the right place. I have run countless tests of simply tying to sync a recorded midi note input with Lives metranome and cant get remotely close. Often the notes are a sixteenth off. I've even plugged in my old Indigo with old school midi just to be able to input midi (which is to say record music as it's played rather than inputing it with a mouse) as any musician would expect to do in this modern day. Old school Virus B, C, and Indigo with old school midi never had this kind of trouble but then Access didn't have a reliable library system like the TI. Running Ableton in Live mode DOES NOT solve the problem. (Sorry Marc) Using Live as the sync host and taking, using the TI as my sound card and taking my RME soundcard completely out of the loop DOES NOT solve the problem. Ableton has never responded to the issue other than to ask if I am using Live mode. May we all feel each others pain.

Look Ableton bretheren, I, as many of you, waited for a good long time to update to Live 8 waiting for them to work out the timing kinks. I had to believe the issue was with Live as not only TI owners have serious issues with Live timing. I expected it would be solved in version 8 so I laid out the cash a couple of months ago to find that it may have gotten worse. And that was it. I came to the end of my relationship with Ableton. I purchase Logic, plugged it in and the problem has dissapeared. Poof. Years of frustration with Live, years of letting a DAW crush creativity and flow, and just like that it's over. Logic works flawlessly for me. (Use Live mode of course) So Timster, mate, it's not a cross platform issue for me. I really believe Ableton is just not up to the professional standard it needs to be. And bless them for making a DAW that was so easy to learn. It has opened up musical creation to thousands of people. Has many great ideas. But . . . I know we are all a bunch of starving aspirants and already invested in Live but look . . . what to you want to do for the next few years, write music or fight software.

Two cents

Cheers
Steve

Steve

Fundamental problem across all hosts and all platforms AFAIK. Part and parcel of the TI - sorry, but that is my experienced assessment.

My take is the USB1 spec will NEVER handle mutliple audio streams reliably. End of story.

i think this is not the story of not synching with Ableton but just a an issue for Ableton since Cubase doesn't have problems synching with the Virus at all.



Dusk, you mentioned usb1 again, i also think it was a very strange decision to put usb1 on a beastsynth like this while usb in common is so damn cheap to build in, it definitely doesn't lower productioncosts in any case for that mather. But for synching a hardware piece usb1 is valid.