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Tuesday, October 27th 2009, 5:37pm

Automating a clock sync'd LFO rate?

Hardware: Virus TI Desktop
TIOS: 3.3.0.00
Sequencer: Ableton Live 8.0.5
Platforms: OS X 10.6.1 and Windows 7

It seems that I can automate the LFO rates when they are not clock sync'd, but I lose the ability to automate the LFO rate once I sync the LFO to the clock. So many effects and sounds I want to make rely on the LFO's being clock sync'd and "playing" the sync rate via automation; is it really not possible to automate variations of each LFO's clock interval? I'm having a very hard time believing this to be true, it seems like a relatively basic requirement for modern synthesis. :S

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Thursday, October 29th 2009, 5:49am

Dear Trey,
This is correct. LFOs cannot be automated or modulated once they are set to "clock mode".

Best wishes,
Jörg Hüttner

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Thursday, October 29th 2009, 2:48pm

Thank you Jörg. If you find the time, I would appreciate an explanation on why that is the case, so I can in turn explain it to all my production buddies who are going to make fun of me for spending this much on a synth that doesn't have this ability. ;(

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Thursday, October 29th 2009, 3:20pm

by the way - you can modulate the LFO time when it's not clocked. certainly not as convenient but works.

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Friday, October 30th 2009, 12:57am

Thanks Mark - I was aware you can automate the LFO rates when they are not synced to the clock. What you've said about it not being as convenient is certainly true, but this is also an issue of accuracy in production. I'm sure I'm not the only one who is a perfectionist when it comes to my work, and being forced to unsync the LFO in order to automate it will always either be evident to my ears, or require more than a reasonable amount of production time painstakingly and manually setting the hz rates for a dozen clock variations, which I have to re-do each time I want to change the tempo of my production. If you consider that some productions don't maintain a static tempo throughout, you'll see this becomes even more significant an issue.

All that aside, can anyone with Access confirm whether or not this feature is being considered for a future release? I am bewildered and maybe even a little upset that new features such as the atomizer and new effects have been worked on and completed before something that seems so critical and basic to me. I understand everyone is using the Virus platform to make different sounds and not all of them rely on clock sync'd LFO automation, but this is a huge majority of what I intended to use the Virus for - writing sick dubstep and breakbeat leads with massive oscillating filters. I figured this was the type of operation to which the Virus was engineered, so color me significantly disappointed at this time.

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Friday, October 30th 2009, 2:51am

I'll just add that I would love to see this feature implemented as well. It's a common technique these days, and indeed somewhat surprising that it's been left out!

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Monday, November 2nd 2009, 12:14am

Lfo clock mode can be automated in ableton live... I do it all the time

You can actually automate lfo's in clock mode in Ableton Live... I do it all the time! Just go to one of the lfo's in VC and right click the image to the left of the clock on/off and add it as a automation parameter!

Im actually away from my virus at the moment since im touring so Im not totally sure if thats the precise place to right click but if I wasn't correct just click around that part of the lfo page and you will find that it can be automated when u do an alt click!

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Monday, November 2nd 2009, 8:43pm

Thanks for the advice, however, this is what I found after excitedly opening up Live to test your suggestion:

While I can make the right-click menu appear for the sync'd LFO rate by right clicking the clock divider in the display section to the right of the LFO rate knob, adding this parameter to the automation list and changing the clock rate does not make the parameter appear in Live's automated parameter list. I can make the parameter appear in Live when it is not sync'd, so that fact coupled with Jorg's comment above that this technique is not possible still leads me to believe we are missing this feature.

Please let me know if you find otherwise!

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Tuesday, November 3rd 2009, 9:14am

RE: Lfo clock mode can be automated in ableton live... I do it all the time

You can actually automate lfo's in clock mode in Ableton Live... I do it all the time! Just go to one of the lfo's in VC and right click the image to the left of the clock on/off and add it as a automation parameter!!

Video demo please, or it doesn't exist.
I believe after over 5 years of trying (and being told by Jörg at least 3 times) that this feature isn't implemented.
It's a shame for such a versatile Synth to be missing this.

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Tuesday, November 3rd 2009, 10:19am

Errr it works! wait till i get home from my euro tour and I will show u.
You know why its works? Because im always using it at home... this is real
Turn the clock on and add the lfo as a automation parameter.

Ill make a video when I get home... but thats not gonna be untill the 23rd of novemeber so I suggest while im not there u just right click around the lfo section untill u see that your able to add the lfo rate as a automation parameter(and yes while in clock mode!). Once u add it as an automation parameter go to the bottom of the automation parameter list in ableton because new automation parameters are added to the bottom of the list. Then just mess around the envelopes in ableton and watch the rate change in clock mode.

Dont give up, click around and u will find.

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